... Thank you.

A lot of my flist has been flipping the fuck out about about X:FC, and they keep asking me when I'm gonna flip the fuck out, too -- the truth is, I saw the movie last week and was so, SO disappoint. There were a few things I loved (I think it's the first X-Men movie to really get the visual poetry of what Magneto can do), but the things that made me roll my eyes were much more numerous.

My own list overlaps with yours (so much seconded re: Tornado Dude and Azazel), but also includes:

-- The costumes and hair/make-up. Not the X-Men uniforms -- those were actually very good given just how bad they could have been. But holy shit, was their only concession to the period to cast January Jones and throw her in some gogo boots they scavenged from the set of an Austen Powers sequel? WHY EVEN MAKE A MOVIE SET IN THE 1960S IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO APPROPRIATE COSTUMES. (Furthermore, where is the sexism and racism? Jesus Christ, there's a veritable goldmine of analogy there. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE GAY PANIC, X-MEN MOVIES.)
-- So if the X-Men intervene in the Cuban Missle Crisis ... are they gonna step in Vietnam? Prevent Kennedy's assassination? Or any number of other world affairs? The problem with establishing their involvement in such a seminal event is that it creates a domino effect, and I'm gonna expect to see a hugely altered alternate history a la Watchmen to result. I don't think that's going to happen.
-- CHARLES AND ERIK'S BREAK UP MADE NO SENSE. Seriously, I actually laughed when Erik says, "Yo Sebastian Shaw, Ima let you finish, but the Nazis had the best motives of ALL TIME (buttheykilledmymommy)". I mean, WAT. And remind me again why Erik puts on the helmet? Has Charles actually done anything to make him think he'd betray him like that? Surely he's done something to warrant leaving him on the beach to bleed out? It's like the writers got to the two hours and twenty minute mark, realized Magneto still wasn't evil yet and threw up their hands and said ROCKS FALL, PEOPLE GET PARALYZED.

... Okay, yeah, I'm all bitched out. For what it's worth, I'm 100% with you re: Thor. In fact, my friend and I came to a hilarious moment after about an hour of bitching about the movie where we looked at each other, and basically said, "I feel dirty admitting it, but I liked Thor more". And then we spent an hour discussing why Loki's motivations made so much more sense than Magneto's. >.>

Amen to this. Magneto's moves were pretty smooth, yes. I truely enjoyed the fact that he could kill with the tiniest amount of metal and that scene with the two Nazis and the barman? Sweet jesus, what a fast flying knife. That was one of the only plusses in my book regarding Erik. His efficiency at times.

I have to agree with every single point you mentioned here, as well. The 60s movements would have offered a good basis for Magneto's arguments and even Charles would have had to agree that there was truth in them. I had not seen any of that, however. Despite all the sexism in the movie itself, was that a hint or just a way to capture the male fanboys' attention??

Of courses the XMen will go now for Vietnam. Any good mutant will want to do that, Logan and Sabertooth are already there~ Afterwards they'll stop the third world War and Erik will die at the hands of Dr Manhatten Professor X, CRYING. Lol. Man, I hated how they shoved in Kennedy in the middle of the movie just to make sure the audience gets that it's THE 60s, historical accuracy whee~. Fuck that.

CHARLES AND ERIK'S BREAK UP MADE NO SENSE. Seriously, I actually laughed when Erik says, "Yo Sebastian Shaw, Ima let you finish, but the Nazis had the best motives of ALL TIME (buttheykilledmymommy)". I mean, WAT. And remind me again why Erik puts on the helmet? Has Charles actually done anything to make him think he'd betray him like that? Surely he's done something to warrant leaving him on the beach to bleed out? It's like the writers got to the two hours and twenty minute mark, realized Magneto still wasn't evil yet and threw up their hands and said ROCKS FALL, PEOPLE GET PARALYZED.

THIS! Forever this!
Really, and the whole thing with Charles yelling "Noooo" when it was clear Erik could not hear him. Instead of unfriezing Shaw and using his body as a means to communicate with his 'friend' (whom he's known for... a week? Two?) he just keeps pressing his fingers harder against his temple. It would have left a bigger impression on Erik, I am sure, and Charles has showed he has the power to speak through other people. :|
Everything after Shaw's death was especially ridiculous, oh man. Crying Charles, crying Erik, then he goes all "ok, who's with me on this?" and Azazel, the quiet Tornado!Guy and Miss Firefly are like "You killed our boss, but whatever, we're cool. We'll just follow you, doesn't matter what you plan or who you are." WHAT since when does the helmet crown a mutant leader of the brotherhood?

(Argh, character limit, I curse you!)

Let me add some more to the list because arghhh I need to get this out of my system (this is going to take a week, I just know it, to fully process the FAIL):

- Where was the suvivor's guilt? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Erik to be a Mossad agent? I also wished they had just used the footage of the first XMen and left it at that without trying to add more to it with the death of Erik's mother. It kind of trivialised the whole thing, the horrors endured, basing his sole reason for revenge apparently only on her murder. We would have known his parents had not made it without the extra information, we also know that they would have conducted experiments on him thanks to his awesome performance at the gates. Hinting at the things he must have endured with a similar scene and a very crossed face with Charles' frowning worriedly at him would have been quite enough to let you realise: that shit left scars no one can possibly overcome.

They did try to hint at it, of course by shoving his tattoed number INTO YOUR FACE. And yes, he had a map of Nazis that he apparently hunted, but only for the purpose of getting at Shaw, who was not even a German (just your standard villain. Pfrrrt when he put on the record of La Vie En Rose, I was kind of laughing. It's so cliché). But their failed in their message to truely deliver Erik's feeling here. :C Also that scene in the bar, where they talked German? Kinda made me think of Inglorious Basterds, just to show that Michael CAN SPEAK TEH GERMAN OHMY.
I still don't get why Shaw needed to be a mutant, too. You wouldn't have needed that, srslyyyyyy gnnnh.

- The way they got their names? Erik's insistence on being called ~Magneto~ at the end? NO. God.

- Hank and Raven's little love story happened immediately after the first night of knowing one another, getting super intimate and resulting in Hanks ultimate mutation because he wants to be normal... WHO WANTS TO BE NORMAL WHEN YOU HAVE AWESOME POWERS LIKE THAT? WHOOOOO. I will never understand why superheroes whine about their abilities.

- I cannot believe they let Charles be such a chauvinistic asshole who thinks he can convince people of his point because he's a telepath. He doesn't even know Erik, only that he rescues him (why did he do that? Because he's such a good guy? I haven't seen any true empathy through the whole movie, just his need for people to notice how awesome he is). Also yes, let your adopted sister work as a waitress while you bang up chicks with your degree. Talk about value of life.

- The blatant visual of the devil (Azazel) and the angle in white (Emma) left a taste of vomit in my mouth. I see what you did there, marvel studios ò_ó

Alright, I am done for now. Sorry that the rant was so long.

I think a lot of people came to the same conclusion @Thor. It was more honest, it was focused with a real conflict at heart. It was the story of how Loki turned. Erik didn't turn, he just was a 'conflicted' angry individual and at the end of the movie, he had acquired The Helmet :/ On the other hand, we can now fully appreciate Tom Hiddleston's performance even more.

edit: That young Erik, though? He looked like a child!copy of Ian McKellen, I am not kidding. I sat in my chair, just staring °_°

Edited 2011-06-12 09:10 pm (UTC)

Oh good, it sounds like I can continue to not give a fuck about Xmen. Awesome.

I guess I'll have to see Thor at some point too. >_>

Just rewatch X1 and X2 and indulge in head canon. That's what I'm going to do, anyways.


WATCH THOR IT IS AWESOME AND OMG JUST... NNGH!

Just rewatch X1 and X2 and indulge in head canon.

Do I have to? SERIOUSLY X-MEN IS A STUPID MOVIE FRANCHISE :|

No one forces you. Xmen isn't for everyone. o_o

Haha sorry :x I don't mean to dump all over X-men; I'm pretty indifferent over the whole thing. To each his own and all that!

(Really I'm just bitter because back in the day I watched an X-men movie then got chided for thinking Cyclops was infinitely cooler than Wolverine.)

♥
I only really like Ian McKellen's Erik Lehnsherr (and Stewart's Charles by default. British thespians at their best omnom). I am not going to hide that. He's just unf unf unf and I've had a boner since LotR for him. I couldn't care less about the actual cartoon show or the comics. *squeezes*

:C Sorry about the chiding, that was uncalled for. We all have our favourites, and just because you don't go with what's popular in another's mind doesn't mean your opinion is invalid. *bites off someone's head* What saddens me, though, is that it has apparently spoilt the fun with XMen for you? I'm also sorry if I should have ripped open that old wound and angered you with my rather long post on the new movie. It can be annoying, but that's my inner fangirl whining xD

XD British actors <333333333

The group of friends I used to hang out with (my ex girlfriend and her friends) were all HUGE X-men geeks and knew all the canon and shit and I just grew tired of them talking about it all the time. I never watched the cartoon or read the comics, I'm more of a Batman girl. 8D I don't see red when people are like X-MEN OMG!!1 I just shrug my shoulders and step away.

This movie looked like it could be actually interesting from the trailers, but since you and sairobi both say it sucks I can skip it. I was just in it for the time period but since that's poorly handled my interest is completely gone.

I had such high hopes for this movie. HIGH HOPES. >:I

Btw hyuuman is totally into Thor as well. -> http://hyuuman.tumblr.com/ I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT ARGH. BUT I'VE HEARD THAT LOKI CRIES A LOT IS IT TRUE??? I NEED MORE MANTEARS IN MY LIFE.

If Loki's tears are any standard to go by, then it's just the tip of the iceberg to what a villainous character is able to cry, see: Erik Lehnsherr. Not even funny.
Loki sheds tears twice, in highly emotional moments that WARRANT it. Also only in the presence of first his father, later his brother. Truely, Loki only makes innocent faces most of the time where you feel the undercurrent of schemes beneath his gaze. With Erik? Not so. He just cries at every given opportunity to show how conflicted he is. Doesn't matter who sees it Dx OR the situation *kicks and screams*

IT'S THE SUMMER OF SLIGHTLY VILLAINOUS CRYING PROTAGONISTS. \o/
SO YOU THINK IT'S BAD OOC CRYING? DDD: PHHHH
(lol, all that Thor stuff is mostly giving me major SLYTHERIN VS GRYFFINDOR flashbacks, oh HP fandom...)

Yes. :C



Haha, HP ist schon so lange her, ich weiß schon gar nicht mehr wie das alles ging. Aber dahin gehend warst du nicht die einzige, es wurden schon Stimme im kinkmeme laut, dass doch bitte jmd den prompt for Loki=Salazar + Thor=Godric füllen soll. Rofl.

Hmm, haven't seen X-Men: First Class yet (too busy sneaking off to the theater to see Thor some more. I'VE SEEN IT FOUR TIMES NOW AND I DON'T CARE LA LA LA I have no life).

Is it even worth seeing? All my friends are leaving (ANGST) and going to the theater to see a blase` movie by myself is lame. At least if you're with somebody you can mock it together or something.

I saw it four times, too. It was just that good. And lol, your icon. Everyone I went to the theatre with agreed on that, Hiddles would make an awesome new Data.

Maybe you will like it. I don't want to convince people NOT to see it, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just know that I was heavily disappointed by the plot, the characters and the dialogue. The special effects were quite nice, but that's to be expected. There are good scenes, if very few, or rather observations, but for me, it was not enough to make this movie worthwhile. I was cringing in my seat, Nadia was having a fit and Peter was silently laughing into his hands in disbelief. Or maybe because of our snarky comments, who knows!
So if you want to see it, do. At least it will give you fodder for fanfics and rants for the next, oh, two or three weeks, lol. I am developing a whole headcanon just to make the aweful experience of XM:FC go away, rofl.

...mmm maybe I will have to cross it off my list but my friends keep saying "go see it! so much slash!"...

I'd pay to see Thor again! Just need the time...

The slash is unwarranted. Charles and Erik just hit it off and are BFF for no apparent reason right after they meet. They don't know each other, Charles just assumes he does, thinks he's seen all the warped corners of Erik's mind and psyche when it's clear that he has no clue who this person truely is. Why Erik even puts off with his arrogance, I have no idea. I surely wouldn't want to keep around a posh Oxford boy that keeps butting in on my suvivor's guilt and memories of me sitting in front of the Menorah with my mother. Uh.

The movie feels like it all happens in the time frame of a week or two. Not enough to develop a strong, intimate relationship but the gayness is there all the same, without a real basis to build upon. Some people like it, maybe because Erik cries a lot.
Charles cries to.
Everyone cries. It's a big fucking weepingfest of angst. Except that it isn't real angst, just the script writers trying to convey conflicting emotions and situations.

God.

Edited 2011-06-12 09:18 pm (UTC)

Oh my. It sounds terrible. =/